NameBertha Isabel Bagnall CURTIS , Grandmother
Birth15 Aug 1889, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Baptism6 Oct 1889, St. George, Hulme, Manchester
Death2 Oct 1978, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
BurialVeteran’s Cemetary, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
OccupationTeacher
EducationNormal School, Regina, Sask.
FatherThomas CURTIS (~1861-~1943)
MotherFrances BAGNALL (1859-1909)
Spouses
1Arthur OGDEN , Grandfather
Birth14 Apr 1897, Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Baptism5 May 1897, St. Clement, Greenhays, Manchetser
Death26 Jul 1956, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
BurialVeteran’s Cemetary, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
OccupationFarmer, Policeman, Military Police, CPR Detective
FatherJarvis Marshall OGDEN (1850-1912)
MotherElizabeth Martin COUPE (1860-~1943)
Marriage31 Dec 1924, St. Peter’s Church, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
ChildrenDorothy Gloria (1932-2011)
Notes for Bertha Isabel Bagnall CURTIS
Served in WWI as a nurse.

Birth listed in 1889 September index as Bertha Isabel B. Curtis at Chorlton volume 8c page 918.

Parish records St. George, Hulme, Manchester
Born August 15, 1889, baptized October 6, 1889 Bertha Isabel Bagnall Curtis, parents Thomas and Frances Curtis, married at St. George in 1884, mother’s maiden name is Bagnall, their residence is 84 Raby Street, Moss Side, father is a pattern maker, ceremony performed by George Cranston.

1891 census living at 66x68 Stanley Grove, Kirkmanshulme Manchester,
Thomas Curtis, Grocer Master age 29 born in Lancashire. [no city listed]
Wife Frances Curtis age 31, born Lancashire.
Daughter Marion F. Curtis age 5. Son Benjamin L? Curtis age 3.
Daughter Bertha I Curtis age 1.
Daughter Gertrude E Curtis age 2? months. 1
servant.

In the 1901 census civil parish South Manchester, Ecclesiastical parish Birch in Rushulme St. Agnes living at 15 Slade Grove, Levenshulme, Manchester.
Thomas Curtis age 39, born at Manchester, Lancs. living on his own means.
Wife Frances Curtis, age 41 born at Manchester.
Daughter Marian F. Curtis age 15.
Son Benjamin L. Curtis, age 13,
Daughter Bertha I. Curtis age 11.
Daughter Jessie Curtis age 7.
Son Thomas B. Curtis age 2.
All the children are listed as being born in Manchester. Gertrude Curtis is not listed.

In the 1911 census 83 Stockport Road, Levenshulme, Chorlton, Lancashire, Ardwick sub district, South Manchester parish. T
homas Curtis, head, widower, age 49, wine merchant, born Manchester.
Daughter Marion Curtis, single, age 25, teacher, born Manchester.
Daughter Bertha I Curtis, single, age 21, teacher, born Manchester.
Daughter Tessie [must be Jessie] Curtis, single, age 17, student, born Manchester.
Son Thomas B. Curtis, single, age 12, student, born Manchester.
Daughter Hilda C Curtis, age 8, student, born Manchester.
Servant Emma Lee, single age 51, born Sheffield.


From Canada Ocean Arrivals (form 30A)
S.S. Minnedosa, Date of Sailing December 17, 1921
Bertha Isabel Curtis, age 31, single
Present occupation, Schoolmistress, Intended occupation, same
Born Manchester
Object in going to Canada is to settle
Do you intend to remain permanently in Canada. Yes
Did you ever live in Canada. No
Money in possession $50.00
Destined to sister. Mrs. Kinnear, 75 Dominion St., Moncton, N.B.
Nearest relative in country which you came from. Father, Mr. Curtis, 85 Stockport Rd., Levenshulme, Manchester

Attended Normal School. In 1922, before being married, lived at Silver Stream, near Okla and Invermay, presumably taught there. Taught in the Hudson Bay Junction area then during WWII in Hudson Bay Junction. Taught for many years in Regina, then Kindergarten in Victoria.

Listed as a passenger on the Montcalm (Canadian Pacific) arrived October 30, 1926 Liverpool departed Montreal Bertha Curtis, destination 299 Slade Lane, Manchester, Teacher, age 38, permanent resident of Canada. I think this is a match as the age, occupation, and the address is the same street her parents had lived on. Possibly she was travelling under her maiden name to match her passport. Also see the next note as she returned from England 3 1/2 months later.

Listed as a passenger on the Alaunia, departed from Liverpool, Arrived Halifax, Nova Scotia February 20, 1927, Bertha Isabel Ogden age 37, married, born Manchester, England, citizenship British crossed out then Canada, in Canada in 1921 - 1926, address 2346 Scarth Street, Regina, Sask., fare paid by husband.

Listed as passengers tourist class, Empress of Canada (Canadian Pacific) arrived Liverpool August 5, 1949, departed Montreal, Bertha I. Ogden age 59, occupation housewife, destination 1 Sandy Lane, Chorlton-cum-Hardy. Dorothy G. Ogden, age 16, student.

Probably listed as a passenger on the Empress of Britain (Canadian Pacific) arrived June 24, 1957 Liverpool. departed Montreal, Bertha I. Ogden, birth date August 22, 1889, widow, destination 2 Windall Close, Hove 4, Sussex, housewife, visiting for 8 weeks. This birthdate is incorrect by 7 days. Since it is known she had documents listing 3 different birth dates, this is very likely a match.

Listed as a passenger on the Empress of France (Canadian Pacific) arrived Liverpool May 19, 1959, departed Montreal, Bertha Ogden, birth date August 15, 1889, single?, destination 7 Anson View, Victoria Park Manchester, permanent resident of Canada, citizen of UK and Canada.

Canada Voters Lists 1962
Apartment 4, 314 Cook Street, Victoria, British Columbia
Miss {should be Mrs.] Bertha I. Ogden, teacher

Canada Voters lists 1968
Apartment 204, 2558 Quadra Street, Victoria, British Columbia
Bertha Ogden, teacher

British Columbia death index, Bertha Isabel Ogden, Female, age 89, Victoria, October 2, 1978


Bertha Curtis and Arthur Ogden Timeline

1889 August 15 Bertha Isabel B. Curtis born Manchester, Lancashire

1891 census Bertha living with her parents, brother & 2 sisters at 66x68 Stanley Grove, Kirkmanshulme, Manchester,

1897 April 14 Arthur Ogden born Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester

1901 census Bertha living at 15 Slade Grove, Levenshulme, Manchester with her parents 2 brothers and and 2 sisters, 1 sister is not listed. Arthur living at 16 Duke Street, Chorlton with his parents, 4 brothers and 2 sisters.

1911 Bertha is living at home with her father, Marion, Jessie, Thomas and Hilda. Her mother has died. Bertha and Marion are teachers. Arthur is living at home with his parents and siblings Jarvis, Louis, Hilda and Olive. Arthur is a student.

1914 or 1915 Arthur enlisted with Manchester Regiment. Also some time during the war Bertha serves in some capacity as a nurse, as seen in a photo.

1915 August 17 Arthur enters a theatre of war, possibly Gallipoli.

1919 March 8 Arthur disemb. [disembarks? returns from France?, leaves the army?]

1921 May 16 Arthur arrives in Canada, destination Tisdale Sask. His ticket is paid by the government.

1921 December Bertha arrives in Canada, destination her sister in Moncton. She pays for her own ticket.

1922 July 4 Arthur obtains his Soldier Grant entry. Bertha’s address is Silver Stream, Sask. She is probably teaching school there. Presumably shortly before or after she attended Normal School.

1923 October Arthur builds a house on NW quarter section 28, township 43 range 2 west of the 2nd

1924 November Arthur occupies the house

1924 December 31 Arthur and Bertha marry in Winnipeg, Bertha is listed as no continuous residence at the farm house.

1925 July 14 Arthur ceased living at the farm house. Not all requirements have been met to take ownership of the land. Arthur listed as living in Regina, Sask., salesman. Presumably Bertha is here also.

1926 October 30 Bertha returns to England travelling under her maiden name, [possibly because of her passport] destination 229 Slade Lane, Manchester. Her occupation is teacher.

1927 February 20 Bertha returns to Canada travelling under her married name to 2346 Scarth Street Regina, fare paid by her husband

1927 June 1 to September 30th 1929 Arthur returns to the Soldier Grant quarter of land.

1930 March 1 Arthur is listed as an agent at Hudson Bay Junction, Sask. presumably Bertha is there also.

1932 September 5 Daughter Dorothy Gloria Ogden is born. Bertha travels to Swan River, Manitoba ahead of time so that she has the services of a doctor.

1940 or 1941 Arthur joins the Canadian Army, Canadian Forestry Corps, (Family stories are that he is military policeman), we believe he served some or most of his time in Scotland. While he is away Bertha is teaching. The school inspector decides to move Bertha and her young daughter Gloria from a 1 room school to the town of Hudson Bay, as he has concern about bear attacks in the area. Later Gloria attends school in Regina at the Qu'appelle Diocese School.

After Arthur’s time with the army, possibly after the war, the family moves to Regina. Arthur becomes what is described as a “Hotel Detective” for the Saskatchewan Hotel. Bertha continues to teach.

1949 August Bertha and Gloria go to England for a holiday, and visit with family.

1951 August 3 Gloria is married. At least some of this time until at least 1953, Arthur, Bertha and Gloria and family live in the same house on Retallack Street in Regina.

Sometime after 1953 Arthur and Bertha move to Victoria, British Columbia. Arthur continues in the same line of work with the Empress Hotel. Bertha is a kindergarten teacher.

1956 July 26 Arthur dies in Victoria.

1957 June Bertha goes to England on a holiday.

1959 May Bertha goes to England on a holiday.

1978 October 2 Bertha dies in Victoria. She was living at 205 - 2558 Quadra Street, Victoria, B.C.
Notes for Arthur (Spouse 1)
Listed in the 1897 June birth index. Arthur Ogden Chorlton volume 8c page 872.

Parish records St Clement, Greenhays, Manchester
Baptism May 5, 1897 Arthur Ogden, parents Jarvis Marshall Ogden and Elizabeth Ogden of 7 Fern Street, father is a police constable, by H. Taylor

In the 1901 census civil parish South Manchester, Ecclesiastical parish, Rusholme Holy Trinity, Registration district Chorlton, sub district Ardwick living at 16 Duke St.
Jarvis M. Ogden age 50 born at Manchester, police officer.
Wife Elizabeth Ogden age 40 born at Egmanton, Nottingham.
Son Ernest P. Ogden age 15 Telegraph Messenger.
Son Jarvis M. Ogden age 13, errand boy tobacconist.
Son Maurice W. Ogden age 11.
Son Louis L. (or S) Ogden age 8.
Daughter Hilda L. Ogden age 5.
Son Arthur Ogden age 3.
Daughter Olive Ogden age 1.
Boarder Annie Smith widow age 43 born at Laxton, Nottingham, living on own means.
Daughter (presumably of Annie Smith) Edith Smith age 5 born in Manchester.
All children were born in Manchester.

In the 1911 census at 24 Duke St., Rusholme.
Jarvis M. Ogden, age 60, married 28 years, occupation Police Pensioner, employed as a Night Watchman, born Manchester.
Wife Elizabeth Ogden, age 50 , born Newark, Nottinghamshire, she had 10 children born alive, 7 are still living.
Son Jarvis M. Ogden, age 23, single, Police Constable Manchester, born Hulme, Manchester.
Son Louis Sydney Ogden, age 18, Grocers Assistant, born Moss Side, Manchester.
Daughter Hilda Louisa Ogden, age 15, single, machinist, born Chorlton on Medlock, Manchester.
Son Arthur Ogden, age 13, school boy, born Chorlton on Medlock.
Daughter Olive Ogden, age 11, school girl, born Rusholme, Manchester.
There are 6 rooms in the house.

Served in both WWI (British Army) and WWII (Canadian Army).
His WWI medal card states
Arthur Ogden, Manchester R. Private Regimental No. 2890 and 250686 [The second regimental number would place him in the 6th (Territorial) Battalion of the regiment. 1/6th Battalion Territorial Force.]
Theatre of war served in (2B) date of entry therein 17-8-15 [Theatre of War codes: 2b is Balkan Theatre, Gallipoli and Aegean Islands]
remarks Disemb 8/3/19
Victory Medal Roll H/1/104 B32 page 6408
British medal ditto
15 Star H/1/41B page 60

I found a photograph with Arthur on a horse in uniform with an inscription on the back. Since the photo has been trimmed and was glued into a book, some of it is missing.
914 [There is paper missing in front, could it be 1914, the 9 is not certain]
50686 [obviously his regimental with the first digit trimmed off]
890 [the other regimental number trimmed]
Pte. A Ogden
6 Manchesters D Cay [does this mean company, cavalry or ?]
British Medic [the last letter is uncertain, afterwards ean was added, in another hand]
Exped Force [obviously expeditionary force]
[It looks like some additional text was trimmed from the bottom as well]


[The 6th landed in Gallipoli on May 6, 1915. On the 8th and 9th of January 1916 was evacuated via Mudros to Egypt. In March of 1917 to France. At the end of the war was part of the 127th Brigade, 42nd Division in the Hautmont area SW of Maubeuge.]

Was military policeman in WWII rank of Sgt. It is thought he served all or most of his time in WWII in Scotland.

In the Canadian passenger lists departed Liverpool on the Victorian, arrived May 16, 1921 Quebec [city] is Arthur Ogden, age 24, single, O.S.O. pass No. 28457, born England, destination Tisdale, Sask., warehouseman in the country he came from, intended occupation farming, Ford P.O., C.P.R. [I assume this was his method of travel to Tisdale]

In the Canada Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A)
Arrived May 18, 1921 Arthur Ogden, age 24, Single, Warehouseman
Born Manchester
Church of England
Object in coming to Canada [I can’t decipher possibly farming ???????]
Money in possession [There are to many dots to be sure. It might be $10.00 or $1000, it reads $10.0.0]
Passage paid by the Government.
Destined to a friend ?? Ford, Tisdale, Sask.
Nearest relative in country from whence passenger came. Mother Mrs. E. Ogden 14 Patey St., Longsight, Manchester. [Longsight is near Ruston and Levenshulme.]

Province of Manitoba Vital Statistics
Marriage Arthur Ogden and Bertha Isabel Curtis December 31, 1923 Winnipeg.

A Homestead under the name Arthur Ogden for the NW quarter, section 28, Township 43, Range 2, West of the second meridian, was a soldier grant. This is about 16 km SE of Hudson’s Bay or about 14 km south west of Erwood.

The soldier grant statement states the following. Date March 14, 1930
Full Name: Arthur Ogden Age: 34 Occupation: Agent
Date of Soldier Grant Entry: July 10, 1922
Date of House built: October 1923 Dimensions: 16X24X8 value $450.00
Date of commencing residence: November 1, 1923
Residence Dates: November 1, 1923 to July 14, 1925 and June 1, 1927 to September 30, 1929
When absent resided in Regina, occupation Salesman
Family wife, no continuous residence
How much breaking have you done?
1923 1 acre, 1 acre cropped
1924 to 1926 none
1927 2 acres, none cropped
1928 20 acres, 3 acres cropped
1929 16 acres, 23 acres cropped
He had 4 cattle in 1923 and 1924
a 14X16 stable was built but burned down in 1926
1/4 mile of 3 wire barbed fence was built.
His application for entry for a soldier grant dated July 4, 1922
His address is Valpareso Sask. Previous occupation is farmer
Attestation certificate No. 3752
Regimental No 250686
In the event of his death communicate with Miss Bertha Curtis, Silver Stream post office, Sask.
It seems his right to the land was forfeit in 1926 as he abandoned the land and did not meet the requirements. Then afterwards moved onto the land, met the requirements and applied for it in 1930. The result of this is not in the file.

Canada Voters Lists 1935 to 1980
Electoral District of Mackenzie 1940
All Townships 42 and 43, also the South half of Township 44, in Ranges 1 and 2, and Townships 42 and 43 in Range 3, all West Second Meridian.
Arthur Ogden, Farmer Etomami
Mrs. Arthur Ogden, Etomami [interestingly no occupation listed, even though the person listed is a teacher.
Also Mrs. Arthur Ogden, teacher, Hudson Bay Junction [She was listed twice]
Electoral District Mackenzie 1945
Arthur Ogden, soldier, Hudson Bay Junction
Mrs. Arthur Ogden, Hudson Bay Junction, [Again no occupation listed]
Regina, Saskatchewan 1945
2125 Osler Street, Arthur Ogden, house detective [This time Arthur is listed twice]
Regina Saskatchewan 1949
2633 Atkinson Street
Arthur Ogden, Detective
Mrs. Bertha Ogden, teacher
Regina, Saskatchewan 1953
1415 Retallack Street
Arthur Ogden, detective
Bertha Ogden, teacher
Thos. K. Simmonds, salesman
Dorothy G. Simmons [as spelled]
Pat Wylie, salesman
Victoria, British Columbia 1962
Apt. 4, 318 Cook Street, Miss [as spelled] Bertha I. Ogden, teacher
Victoria, British Columbia
Apt. 204 2558 Quadra Street, Bertha Ogden, teacher


Farmed in the Hudson’s Bay area before WWII. After WWII was a hotel detective at the Saskatchewan Hotel in Regina and later at the Empress Hotel in Victoria. [CPR hotels]

Lived at 1415 Retallack Street in Regina.

British Columbia death index, Arthur Ogden, male age 58, July 26, 1956, Saanich

The headstone on his grave reads:
Arthur Ogden
Sergeant
Can Forestry Corps
26 July 1956
Age 59

Canadian Forestry Corps
From what I can gather a large amount of lumber was needed for the war. It was more efficient to cut this timber closer to where it was needed rather than cut the lumber in Canada and ship it to Europe. The ships were needed to provide other supplies. The army recruited trained loggers, organized them into companies, gave them military training including weapons and sent them to the highlands of Scotland. Each company consisted of about 180 men and 6 officers. An advance party was sent in October of 1940 and by June 1942 there were 30 companies plus a headquarters company. Ten of these companies were sent to mainland Europe after D-Day.
Since we have several photos of Arthur at logging camps in the Hudson Bay area, it seems he would qualify. We understand he was a military policeman, so it would seem his job was to keep the loggers in order. However the military policeman could be a mistake and he was involved with logging the entire time.


Since the 20th Company was the only one (I believe) mobilized from Saskatchewan, at Saskatoon, it is highly like he served with this company.
Copied from a post by Robert J. Briggs
http://www.nethybridge.com/history/details.php?page_number=246
20th Company, Canadian Forestry Corp
Canadian Mobilization Point – Saskatoon, Sask
Mobilization Date – 2 Oct 1940
Arrived in Scotland – 2 Jul 1941
Ceased Operations in Scotland – 21 Mar 1945
Camps Occupied in Scotland
(relocation dates indicated) – Torwood, Kincraig; Nethybridge, (12 Jun 42)
Of the 30 Companies 10 would go onto the mainland, 10 would stay in Scotland and 10 returned to Canada to cut fuelwood
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