NameJoseph HART
Birthabt 1832, Chelsea, London, England
OccupationTrumpeter 10th Hussars, Musician
Spouses
Birth3 Apr 1835, Hounslow, London, England
Baptism3 May 1835, St Mary, Osterley, Hounslow, Middlesex
Death1887
Notes for Joseph HART
listed as a trumpeter in the 10th Hussars, in his son Joseph’s baptism.
UK Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admission and Discharge Records
October 25, 1870
Scots Fusilier Guards 1st Battalion,
Rank Private, Joseph Hart No. 908 [presumably Regimental Number]
12th Hussars [there is no 12 Hussars, the 12th are Lancers, so presumably it should be the 10th Hussars] 12 years service then Scots Guards 9 1/12 years service for a total of of 21 1/12 years service,
rate of pension 12 d.,
no foreign service
4 good conduct badges
Completed service, born St. Lukes, Chelsea, Middlesex
Musician
Height 5 feet 6 1/2 inches fair complexion
Family Connections to the Band of the Scots Guards
The family connections with the Band of the Scots Guards seem to begin with Joseph Hart
Joseph Hart - Musician [married to Elizabeth Hart (nee Mills)]
10th Hussars 1849 to 1861
then 1st Battalion Scots Guards 1861 to 1870
Joseph’s son-in-law George Brockett - Musician [Husband of Joseph’s daughter, Caroline Hilda Brockett (nee Hart)]
53rd Regiment (Shropshire) of Foot 1879 to 1881
Scots Guards 1881 to 1885
Army Reserve 1885 to 1891
His brother-in-law Henry Symondson - Musician, Band Sergeant [married to Joseph’s wife’s sister Barbara Symondson (nee Mills)]
4th Middlesex Militia 1856 to 1880
Joseph’s wife’s nephew, Henry Symondson’s oldest son Henry John Symondson - Musician
4th Middlesex Militia 1878
Scots Guards 1878 - 1899
Joseph’s wife’s nephew, Henry Symondson’s 3rd oldest son Alfred Stuart Symondson - Musician [my great grandfather]
11th Hussars 1881 - 1889
Scots Guards 1890 - 1918
Joseph’s wife’s nephew, Henry Symondson’s 4th oldest son Herbert George Symondson - Musician
15th Hussars 1184 - 1894
2nd Battalion Scots Guards 1894 - 1898
Alfred Stuart Symondson’s oldest son Alfred Stuart Symondson - Musician
Scots Guards - dates not known, but at least 1911 until after 1921
Alfred Stuart Symondson’s second oldest son Sidney Gordon Symondson - Boy Musican, Guardsman
11th Hussars Band - dates not known but for certain in 1914, before WWI
Leicestershire Regiment - dates not known but before July 14 1915
Scots Guard - dates not known but until at least 1921, wounded in action 1918
End of Family Connections notes
Notes for Elizabeth (Spouse 1)
Parish records Saint Mary, Osterley, Hounslow, Middlesex. Elizabeth Mills, baptism May 3, 1835, born April 3, 1835, father John Mills, mother Mary Mills, father’s occupation Postboy, abode Hounslow.
In the 1841 census High Street Civil Parish of Heston, Isleworth hundred, Middlesex, England Brentford registration district Iseleworth sub registration district
John Mills age 35, occupation Post Boy,
Mary Ann Mills age 35,
Emily Mills age 13,
George Mills age 11,
Elizabeth Mills age 6, and
Barbara Mills age 2.
Elizabeth and Barbara are born in the county, the others are not.
In the 1851 census lists In High Street Hounslow Prince Regent.
Head John Mills Publican and Omnibus Conductor age not readable born Bevsea, Oxfordshire.
Wife Mary Ann Mills age not readable born Colesbourne, Gloucestershire.
Children George Mills age unreadable born Salt Hill Buckinghamshire,
Elizabeth Mills, age 16 born Hounslow,
Barbara Mills age 11 born Hounslow,
Rosa Mills age 5 born Hounslow.
They have 2 servants and a servant’s daughter living with them.
In the October to December 1859 marriage index Joseph Hart and Elizabeth Mills are on the same page, volume 3a, page 79, Brentford, Middlesex.
In the 1861 census Prince Regent High Street, Heston Civil parish, Hounslow ecclesiastical parish, Middlesex, Brentford district, Isleworth sub district,
Mary Ann Mills, widow, age 58, born at Colesbourne (or Calstock?), Gloucestershire, publican.
Daughter Elizabeth Hart age 25, born at Hounslow, married, barmaid.
Son Edwin Mills, unmarried age 17, born at Hounslow, dairyman.
Daughter Rosa Mills, unmarried, age 15, born at Hounslow.
Grandson Joseph Hart age 10 months, born at Hounslow.
They have a lodger Thomas Kemble a soldier, a servant and a visitor Susanah Lack age 17. [Susanah becomes Edwin’s future wife.]
In the 1871 census 122 Lillington (Street St John the Evangelist civil parish, Holy Trinity Ecclesiastical parish, London, St George Hanover Square district, St John Westminster sub district.
Joseph Hart age 39, musician born at St Lukes, Chelsea, Middlesex.
Wife Elizabeth Hart age 36, born at Hounslow.
Son Joseph Hart age 10 born at Hounslow.
Daughter Hilda Hart age 5 born at London.
Son Arthur L. Hart, age 2, born London, Middlesex.
In the 1881 census living at 2 Dorset Street, St John the Evangelist civil parish,, London, St George Hanover Square Registration district, St John Westminster.
Joseph Hart age 46 born in India, musician. [There is a discrepancy between his age and birth place for the 2 census]
Wife Elizabeth Hart age 46 born at Hounslow.
Son Joseph Hart age 21, born at Hounslow, postman.
Daughter Hilda Hart age 15, born at London, needlewoman.
Son Frederick Hart age 7, born at London.
They had a lodger.
A possible match in the October to December 1887 death index Elizabeth Hart, age 52, St. George Hanover Square, London, volume 1a, page 347.